hey guys check this out. My nite out last nite. i was with my mates who came to nepal after ages. We ended up in this dance bar where they perfome naked under shower and actually you can pick up the gals as well. this is quite common in nepal.
check out yourself

THIS IS FOR YOU MY BROTHER BATHROOM COFFEE..............NOW YOU CAN EXPOSE ME IF YOU WANT

Money Minded,
Do you want a fugging pad on your back for going to the movies and lunch with her ? Ok Syabashhhhh bau tailey ek damai thuuulo kaaam gariishhh MORA !!

I am not passing any judgement on you pal. YOU CAN DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT...be a fuggin' junkie and croak for all I care. I just don't wanna hear it. And your bringing it to our attention....WHAT THE FUG DID YOU EXPECT MORON ? a fuggin kyabaaath !!!

Common guys, stop the quarrel. Meanwhile enjoy the music

hahahahah,
EVERYONE:
read this thread from top to bottom,
this is hilarious.

Ok MM bro aka S.kc
Stop this now. You are hero. Good job but This is nothing to be proud of .I know you were just trying to give demo of your night life and you did with lot of pics.

bathroom coffee,
don't give your judgemental comments and keep calling other morons!

keho, loote and others belonging to that catorie,
i used that pic and made fun too.i am sorry.But there can be other side too.what if they are having actual fun doing this?MM didn't pay for one night.She does like doing this crap
not being judgemental but you can see the character!! she posed for pics if she didn't wanted it would not have happened.They are not postitutes .No body is forcing them to do so.They have alternatives too. It is their judgement to do so.have you seen stripers driving BMW in your school???So , argument can go both ways.

I was in KTM , i could have gone to these clubs but i decided not to that was my personal choice.Hence , this is individual choice!!!

i was not planning on posting anything on this this thread.
however, imi, i have to comment on what you said. u said what if they are actually having fun doing this?? hm, yo think the idea of fun for a young woman her age is to become a slut, become a patro of ridicule and humiliation in society, sleeep with 10 differnet men each day just to get by, having fun getting raped by police and armies near bushes, having fun getting beaten up by these people, having fun when the clients pokes cigreattes in thier breasts, having fun with the STDs they have???????????????
nobody, nobody (may be wiht a few exceptions in all teh prostitutes of ktm, which is about 5000) does this by choice ok. most people, for some reason, think they tehse women do it by choice, but when you have a starving child, when your drunkhard husband has left you many years ago, when you have to send moeny to your sick father, think, how much of a choice is thattt??????????? its the circumstnaces that
forces them.
you said they have alternatives. waht kind of alternative do they have with what little education, traning they have ????? most of them come from rural parts around nepal, mnay come form surroudnign villages of ktm, many are lured into it by their freinds, and almost all of them have etiher dropepd out of school, never went to school or could not complete their education. a lot of them are actually married and have children and have husbands as well. who wiill give them jobs???? u?? or i? or anyone else here??

sure they can make 1500-2500 approxmiatley a month by sewing clothes, cleaning homes, but is that enough to pay the rent, to buy food, to edcuate your children and your siblings, ke care of your family????????????????????????????????????? thye have dreams too, dreams to not let thier young daughters come into this profession, dreams to estabish a household, marry a loving husband eventually, become a housewife, or a professional, have good chidlren etc etc. but sooooooo whattttttT??? are tehse the alternatives you are talking abouttt??

ultimately, it is not the clients and it is definetely not these women to blame. it is the whole soceity, the systme that kept them away from education, from oppurtunities to become something else, to give them an "alternative" speak of.
and i also blame our own failure to understand the difficulties of these women.

LFC the government is to blame for not creating opportunities for ordinary common citizens.

the government!!? what can the government do? government is partly to blame, but it is our own attitude too. if a rural couple in Nepal decides not to educate their girl children and decides to get married offff to some pimp in Kathmandu, then how can you blame government for that. yes government needs to crate more opportunities but it is the citizenry and their attitudes that consists of society, its values and morals.

IFC123 ,
thats what i just wanted to point out arguments can go both ways.U also mentioned some do for fun and with choice.So, bottom line as you said: don't blame anyone ,blame the system.And who makes the system???hmmmmm....

And even in most developed country ,
Aren't their any hookers, Hmmm..
So quit complaining about system, Society and blah blah... this is not heaven . IT IS PERSONAL CHOCIE .Yes , there are circumstances but even then it is personal choice.

And i never said this is something to be proud of just trying to tell you again.No matter how develop the country is or how educated people are most people has that negative aspects in them which differentiate them from God.

you say its "choice" because you are soooo far away from theirr reality. i dont blame u. as for my saying so do it for fun, i meant a very very veryyyy very very small percentage. may be 1%. when i interviewed approximately 60 women, i did not come across a single women who did this by choice. they were alllll forced their circumstnace,s but i don't want to rule out the possiblity taht tehre can be a handful, may be around 10 , in kathamndu who do this because they dont' need money, because they think its fun.....does this actaully sound like a possiblity???
as for prostitutes in developed countires, what makes you think they are doing this because it is fun. u dont' seeee women from respected, high class or even middle class, decent families' daugthers going into this profession, can you? if u were to ask these women, even in so called developed countries, from amsterdam, or bankok, to houses in bombay and cabin restaurants in kathmandu, you will find a story behind every woman, i guranteeeeee you.
and again, it is not personal choice. i dont' know why anyone would actually this prositution is a "choice". choice betweenn whatt???

ImI,
I am not being Judgemental, I am not interested in hearing what kinda hooker MoneyMinded spent his night with. PERIOD. He can go jump off Bagmai Bridge for all I care, and for him to come and Boast about it here ? he he What did he expect ? A Gorkha Dakshin Bau ? he he I am not judging his action...but the boasting part wus pretty lame. YOU WANNA DO GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY ON YOUR OWN....KUDOS TO YOU. WE DID NOT ASK HIM TO GO OUT WITH THAT GAL ? NOPE. MONEYMINDED THINKS HE DESERVES A PRAISE FROM US FROM HIS DEEDS. I THINK NOT !! THATS ALL

You took the words from my mouth, lfc123, thank you.

I don't mean to be judgemental, I don't want to be judgemental,and I certainly don't have holier than thou attitude, but I see lot of posters here making fun and passing rude comments about the girl and I just can't help feeling disgusted with these people.

Heck, you don't even have to know her. The fact that she is a person means she deserves some iota of respect. She is somebody's daughter, somebody's sister, somebody's wife... c'mon, think of her that way. There can be million different reasons why she is doing what she is doing. While it could be by choice, knowing how difficult it is to make two ends meet in Nepal, it could very well because of the necessity.

Sure, system is to blame because it made the environment she is in. Sure, people like MM are to blame too because they are there to demand for such service. Sure, she might be to blame because she might have brought such situation upon herself. There are plenty of blame to go around. The lease we can do is have some compassion for the other person.

So before you pass callous comments on her, think how the world is with her shoes on. Had it not been for a small simple move of fate, you could very well have been her.

- Chatmandude, your friendly neighborhood Maiti Nepal supporter.

wow money minded you must be a sad sad man. dont know wht to say to you anymore.

Choice between what??
You tell me ifc123,
choice between what..
ook then
Choice between dignified job than humilating.
Choice between less and cheaper food than expensive.
If you choose money over your dignity then do you think i should be sympathazing ????
And ofcourse most of the people you interviwed would say that do you expect a hooker to tell you that she does it for fun??com'on now.
I know how hard life is in nepal then again all poor woman resort to be prostitutes???Shows character ,Are you getting what i am trying to say.

well Bathroom coffee, MM is not asking you to praise him.He is just here displaying his one night conquest.

here a story of a women who was sold to india by her husband... maybe the grl you slept with was sold by her own dad when she was 10 but gr8 job though bravo on your actions MM we r so proud of you




Sold daughters of Nepal


"Between 5.000 - 7.000 girls and women, mostly belonging to ethnic minorities, are trafficked mainly to India and other countries from Nepal every year. In India alone there are at least 200.000 Nepali women serving as commercial sex workers." This was published on the frontpage of the Kathmandu Post on 16th June 2001. These numbers are shocking and alarming but maybe for most of us (at least for me) they are truly inconceivable. As long as we are not directly affected, these numbers might be taken more as a statistic figure rather than the sad accumulation of desperate individual fates. But just imagine one of those girls would be your daughter, sister or close friend and suddenly the entire perspective will change.This is what has just happened to me after I got personally involved in the repatriation of two young Nepali girls who have recently been rescued by Maiti Nepal from a brothel in Pune/India. When they told what had happened to them and how they were taken to India I was deeply shocked. It was the first time that returnees directly told me their stories. Even after I have been working for Maiti Nepal for more than 2,5 years it was touching to listen to their stories and to realise what they have gone through. It is a vast difference in comparison to read about the fate of a victim or to hear it through others. This time I could see their eyes, their faces and I could feel each and every word they said. I have tried to write their stories exactly like they were told in order to give you an insight into what this much too nice sounding word "trafficking" really means, how it takes place here in Nepal and how it is possible that still so many girls are getting trapped.

Sold by her husband
Renu* got married when she was 16 years old. Together with her husband who works as a mechanic and her 11 month old son she lived in Kathmandu. They had been married for almost two years when one day her husband told her that they would go to Bhairawa, a city in the Terrai (southern plains of Nepal) close to the Indian border, to make his driving licence. Together with her son, a friend of the husband and his wife they took the bus to Bhairawa where they stayed in a hotel. In the hotel room the husband showed her a package of white powder and told her that it was heroine. He explained her that he had started to work as a smuggler and that they had to go to India to deliver the heroine to the buyer. He forced her not to tell anybody and to keep quite throughout the whole journey. The next day they crossed the border to India without any difficulties. From Gorakhpur they took the train to Mumbai. Her husband took her to a house and said that only ladies could go there. She should go in there together with his friend's wife and wait until he and his friend had delivered the heroine.

Later he would come to collect her and they all would go out for dinner.

Renu did as her husband had told her. But her husband never came back. With a false excuse the husband's friend's wife left after some time. When she had waited for a couple of hours she realised that something was wrong. When she raised the question where the lady who had come in with her would be she was told that she was in a brothel and that her husband had sold her for 80.000 IRs (3.900 DM / 1.770 U$).

She could not believe what the brothel manager had told her and tried to leave. But they took away her son in order to make her submissively obeying. For the next 6 months she saw her son only twice. They could easily blackmail her with her young child so that she had to fulfil all their demands. After one month she was sold from the brothel in New Mumbai to a brothel in Pune.

In February 2001 her brother who is a lawyer reported her case to Maiti Nepal in Kathmandu and handed over her a photo of her. Maiti sent the photo to their Rescue Centre in Mumbai from where all the rescue and repatriation operations in India are co-ordinated. An informer working for Maiti in Pune who regular visits the red light district detected her and reported about "a young Nepali girl who had newly arrived". Staff of Maiti regularly visited her as customers and started with counselling. They informed her about the work of the organisation and showed her photos of other rescued girls. Only very slowly she started to gain trust. When Maiti wanted to arrange the raid she was scared of her son and told the staff of Maiti that she would rather stay and work as a prostitute for the rest of her life than to risk the life of her son. He was kept together with children of other victims in a house 60 km outside of Pune.

In this situation Balkrishna Acharya, the president of Maiti Nepal (Mumbai) worked with a trick. He guaranteed that he would manage to get her child once she had been rescued. Long time she was sceptical before she finally agreed to the raid which was arranged with the help of the Indian Police. When I asked Balkrishna how he could guarantee the safe return of her son he looked at me and smiled. "You know Gereon" he said, "I told the brothel owner (a Nepali woman) that the police will not file a case against her, if she hands over the child to us. So she was satisfied and the police as well as in this way they could earn some money extra. If the case was registered Renu would have never seen her son again. So what is the position of the mother then?" I must have looked at him with some wonder because he added, "This is the reality in our work. Sometimes human feelings are more important than punishment!" Then he told me about Kalpana a similar case, who was rescued by Maiti in April 2001 and whose 5 year old daughter has not been found until today.

In an interview after her rescue Renu was saying that she would never be able to trust anybody again for the rest of her life. She had known her husband from her village since they were young. According to the Nepali tradition their marriage was arranged by their parents. He had been the most trustful person in her life. If you think about it you get puzzled. How can a husband sell his wife? This question seems unanswerable already. And then how could he even sell his wife together with his at that time only 4 month old son?

Up to 35 customers a day...
In the same brothel in Pune another young Nepali girl was exploited as a sex slave who Maiti Nepal could manage to rescue in the same raid. Reeta's* story is different and similar at the same time.

She comes from a middle class and well known family in a small village in Sindhupalchok (a district severely hit by girl trafficking north of Kathmandu). She lived together with her grandmother whom she had to take care of in another village close by. Because of this duty she could never visit a school, so Reeta with her 18 years is still illiterate. A week before she was going to be married she became sick and needed to go to a hospital in Kathmandu. Her parents did not agree to send her to Kathmandu fearing that she might not be back in time for the marriage. Everything was arranged already and they did not want to take any risk. Her brother tried to help her and send her to Kathmandu together with a couple who were friends of their uncle. This couple had to go to Kathmandu anyway and offered to take her. Her brother gave her 4.000 Rs (120 DM / 55 U$) for the medical treatment and told her to be back for the wedding in time.

When they arrived in Kathmandu the hospital was closed and the couple invited her to a cinema. She did not want to spend her brother's money for that and refused to go. But the man told her "I am like your brother, don't worry I will pay for you". During the pause she had a coke where they must have put something in. She became sleepy and until today she is not able to recall all the details which happened after that. She remembers that the same man later asked her, whether she would get travel sick during bus rides. She said yes and he gave her a big capsule which she took. Soon after she lost her consciousness.

The next time she woke up they were in Naranghat, which is around 150 km from Kathmandu on the way to the border. Here she became suspicious and asked the couple where they were going. The man got angry and shouted at her that she would not trust him as her brother. He ordered her not to talk any more. Reeta had never been out of her village before so she had not idea where she was. They crossed the border to India illegally and continued travelling on a bus until they arrived at a train station. It was the first time in her life that she saw a train. Now she became scared and asked the couple whether she was going to be sold. The couple reacted very sad and disappointed and asked her how she could put such a question. Again the man told her that she should not worry, he would treat her like his sister and that she should not speak a word during the train journey.

When they arrived in Mumbai they went in a hotel and the man left to make a phone call. Reeta became again suspicious as she had seen a phone in the room. But this time she did not dare to raise a question. When the man did not return for hours, the woman left with her and went to a house of a friend where she had to wait during the two women talked. Soon after all three left in a taxi. On the way the woman who had brought her left the taxi and told Reeta, that she had to buy something and that they would meet later. "You go with this lady" she said, "I will come later". When they arrived at the house of this "lady" she was told that she had been sold for 100.000 IRs (4.850 DM / 2.200 U$). In the beginning she did not understand what this would mean for her. When that "lady" explained her about what she had to do from now on in order to pay back the price that had been paid for her, she broke down in despair.

She was kept in this house for one month before she had to start prostitution. During that time she pleaded several times with the woman to allow her to call her brother. She promised that he would even pay even 200.000 IRs to buy her back. The woman told her that she could leave if she would pay her 100.000 IRs in cash directly but did not allow her to do any phone call. All she had were the 4.000 Nepali Rs from her brother. After one month she was transferred into a brothel in Kamatipura (red light district in Mumbai, probably the biggest in the world), Lane No. 12. When she denied and started crying the "didi" (brothel keeper) told her that if she would not do what the customers request they transferred her into another brothel where they would brutally gang rape and torture her. Then she ordered the brothel servant to "prepare" her. This was the first of many brutal rapes which should happen in the next six months. After a few months she was sold from the brothel in Kamatipura to the brothel in Pune, where she was rescued together with Renu.

What the victims have to go through in the brothels lies far beyond the imaginable. In an interview after her rescue and repatriation to Nepal Reeta was asked about the daily routine and the conditions in the brothels. One answer I will not forget. She was asked how many customers she had to receive per day. She looked down and said in a low voice: "Minimum was 5-7 a day, average was 10-12. Sometimes more and one day I had to do it with 35 customers." Being asked about Maiti Nepal she said " Maiti Nepal rescued me from the life in hell. Without them I would have been in there until the end of my life!" This sentence will remain in my heart and I will try to think of it during the hard moments of our work.

Each and every of the approximately 200.000 Nepali girls in the brothels in India has her own tragic story. Even if one might consider this as a frustrating huge number it is worth all our effort to fight against this inhumane and heinous crime. Every now and then people ask referring to this number how it is possible to keep motivated as only a handful of girls can be rescued every year.

Our motivation depends on what we think and on how we look at things. Motivation is not the result of a high or low number of victims being rescued. All our effort will be worth if we could only rescue one single girl. Just imagine again, that the one would be your daughter, sister or close friend...


http://www.bono-direkthilfe.org/english/textfertig.html

imi
i don't think u r getting the jist of what i am saying. forget everything i said earlier. i doubt if you even read it.
good day.

ImI-- we r not upset that he put the story about his conquest i m upset the way he wrote abt it as if it was something to be proud of instead of feeling saddened about these women who have to work like this. instead of being devastated. he decides to post more pictures of himself and the girls. wht r we suppose to think of that.

Hey Ifc123 ,
i am getting what you are saying and i completely understand but you know how i think .It is upto the
person.I believe in will power and to do character.Life is stuggle and people who lose it are losers
no matter what circumstances is .I would hate my self to be loser too sometimes i hate myself when i lose
in life .But then again you have to fight.Long story short:it is not society, not system ,it is the
person (individual character )who makes difference.As i said i could have gone to the bar but i choose not to.
that is what i meant by choice.

Gundaa,
Did you hear , i told MM to stop posting and i apologized for using that pic to make fun of in other
thread.

i really feel we should help out but people need to realize they need to help themself too.

ImI- Choice between dignified job than humilating.
Choice between less and cheaper food than expensive.
If you choose money over your dignity then do you think i should be sympathazing ????

ofcourse not why sympathaze... i mean after all it was their choice right?? they choose to be this way. here this is a story for u this 12 year old decided to be a prostitute... u shouldnt sympathaze. she decided to be this right?? u werent sold by evil people of this world into prostution.and ofcourse they all do it for money b/c these women r driven by money and materialistic world. thats sad that u think they all do this for money maybe u should do some research


AIDS fuels traffic of Nepali girls to India

By Sugita Katyal

Reuters AlertNet, UK - 9 Jun 2003

NEW DELHI, June 9 (Reuters) - Priya was just 12 when she was drugged by an aunt and dumped at a brothel in New Delhi.

"I thought it was a cinema hall but then I realised they wanted me to do bad things," said the young Nepali woman, now 21, who was brought from her poverty-stricken village with the promise of a job as maid.

Priya spent the next three years in the Indian capital's red-light district where she says she was forced to have sex with "all kinds of men from 13-year-olds to old men with no teeth".

"They threatened me, saying they'd let me go if I worked for three years and earned 50,000 rupees ($1,070) for them," Priya told Reuters. "Otherwise, they said they'd send me to a brothel in Bombay where I'd be locked in a room until I was old."

Today, she's one of a lucky few to be rescued from sexual slavery -- in fact she now works with police, saving other women from brothels. But thousands of Nepali girls are trafficked across the 1,580-km (990-mile) India-Nepal border and sold to brothels.

Social workers say the number of girls being trafficked from Nepal has increased in recent years because of AIDS.

"There's a myth that having sex with a virgin can cure you of AIDS," said Roma Debabrata, president of STOP, a group that rescues girls from brothels.

She said some men with AIDS fork out up to 100,000 rupees ($2,126) -- almost an entire year's starting salary for an executive -- for a virgin.

There are from 200,000 to 375,000 Nepali women in Indian brothels, according to a report the Indian non-governmental organisation Prayas helped compile.

About 30 to 40 percent of the total number of women in India's red-light districts are Nepali, Ravi Nair, executive director of the South Asia Human Rights Documentation Centre, told Reuters.

Trafficking of women from Nepal's hill communities began in the 19th century, when feudal lords recruited girls from the Helambu region north of Kathmandu to work as concubines. Owning "Helambu girls" became a mark of high social status.

SOLD TO BROTHEL OWNERS

Today, the practice of keeping concubines has ended but the recruitment of women continues -- only now they are sold to Indian brothel owners who like them because of their fair complexions.

"There are organised gangs and it's a multi-million-rupee trade," Nair said. "The problem is cross-border trafficking is not given the same importance as cross-border terrorism or trafficking of drugs."

Almost always the story is the same -- poor and illiterate girls as young as nine are sold by their families or lured to India with the promise of well-paid jobs as domestic or factory workers.

Once there, activists say they are sold to middlemen for $200 to $500 and then they must resign themselves to life as a prostitute or face gang rape and torture until they submit.

"Their spirit gets destroyed," said Nair.

A U.S.-based non-governmental group, Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, recounts the story of 13-year-old Mira from Nepal who arrived at a brothel on Bombay's Falkland Road, where thousands of women are displayed in zoo-like cages.

"When she refused to have sex, she was dragged into a torture chamber in a dark alley used for breaking in new girls. She was locked in a narrow, windowless room without food or water," the report said.

After she refused to have sex for a fourth day, she was wrestled to the floor and her head was smashed against concrete until she passed out. When she awoke, she was raped. "Afterwards, she complied with their demands," the report said.

Some girls are rescued and some manage to escape but the numbers are few and far between. Many contract AIDS in India and are then sent back to Nepal where they are dismissed as "India's soiled goods".

India has nearly four million people suffering from HIV/AIDS -- second only to South Africa -- and health experts warn the numbers could spiral if steps are not taken to control it.

"Since 1997 we have rescued about 400 girls from brothels in New Delhi, Bombay and Calcutta," said Bishwa Khadka, an official at Maiti Nepal, a group helping rescue and rehabilitate trafficked girls.

"Forty of them are still with us with AIDS and 10 have already died of AIDS while with us."

Faced with the prospect of social ostracism at home, one 16-year-old Nepali who STOP rescued from a Delhi brothel said she didn't want to go home.

"She said she did not want to be rescued because she had nowhere to go," said Debabrata.

http://www.hrdc.net/sahrdc/inthenews/2003/090603.htm

Ok Gundaa,
I am sorry you are not getting my point.We were talking about the girls out in street not in forceful brothels.
Anyways you are mentioning special scenarios.Yes , in that case there is symapathy.In that case , she is cannot choose.But when they are out in street and thier is no physical pressure or force then my statement becomes correct.
Are you getting it !!

hahahah they need to help themselves too ofcourse... how do u tell someone help yourself when they were sold to a brothel when they were 5 and have never seen anything other than the brothel they lived in and know the men who were there and other prostitute. how can u say that this little girl is responsible for where she is today. whats wrong with you how can you say that.

how is someone suppose to change their life when they have no idea of anyother life. i m just upset at the way u think.