hey guys check this out. My nite out last nite. i was with my mates who came to nepal after ages. We ended up in this dance bar where they perfome naked under shower and actually you can pick up the gals as well. this is quite common in nepal.
check out yourself

Oh com'on read first what i wrote!!!!!

oh so u think taht girls out in the street do it because its their choice. in wht country r u talking abt. hahhaha ok thats the funniest thing i have ever heard. they all have their circumstances which forces them to do this. i have no idea wht you r talking abt when ypu say some do it by choice. i think to compare such a small % to so many other innocent people who were tricked in to doing is aweful.

i was reading it you just post faster than me

IMI,
MM is not asking us to praise him ? Then why is he posting pictures of these girls ? And talking as if he is doing the Nepali society a great favor by going out to lunch with them.
IMI states,"He is just here displaying his one night conquest." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? COMQUEST ? IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL IT CONQUEST ? THOSE WOMEN ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS ? CONQUEST THAT MOTHEREFFERs ASS !!

finally my point was no one does prostitution as a choice. no kid says i m gonna grow up and be a prostitute. they need help and we should all give them sypathy and empathy and provide them with the help they need and not say help yourself you did this by your choice as some ppl above have suggested. or insult them as if they arent worth anything b/c of their job.

Gundda
There is difference between force:One in borthel is forced physially and one outside is forced due to economic hardship or societ or whatever ..ok the point is
Since the person in brothel can't help it is makes sense to say they deserve sympathy but for outside and respecting money more than dignity ,then i cannot agree 100% with you there.

Ok bathroom coffee: it might be conquest for him not for somebody else .It is his life .this is his thread and this public forum .He can say do what ever he likes.He is not asking you to pat his back or anything.

I am realizing that this is offending many people and i think though it is public forum ,one should not offend it like this.So, i think MM knows better!

First of, this "bar" moneyminded is talking about is not out in the open. Of course these bars exist in Nepal. I would have thought everybody would realize that by now. When I was in Nepal for a few days, cops were making frequent raids in hotels, because these were hotspots where gals were being pimped and prostituted. So, he picked up a girl in some bar, and had sex with her. This is clearly prostitution, and the point to be made here is that prostitution is definitely illegal in Nepal. I don't know what sort of penalty is meted out to johns, but what strikes me as odd and, truly does leave a bad taste in my mouth is that this douchebag, moneyminded, had the gall to come here and brag about having sex with a prostitute. This numbnuts has already mentioned that he bought her "mobile card" or whatever he called it. That's just prostitution, is it not? He had sex with the woman and paid her by buying her "mobile card". Seriously, is this something to be proud of? He says he is a "recovering addict" and nothing can shame him. Guess what, you have reached another low point. There are lots of addicts out there. What makes you so special? I don't think you can go any lower than this. Don't you have a moral compass? Some people have already shown interest in this bar. Jackoffs like Bhusan and some other fags who are thinking of having sex with prostitutes need to be exposed if you ask me. Plus, many of these girls are underaged, and let me remind you all that you can be tried and convicted in America if you're caught having sex with a underaged girl abroad. This is a new law they passed a few years ago. The very thought that this thread is alive and kicking drives me mad by the way.
Also another point to be made here is that, although I do empathize with the situation of these ladies, look, there are hundreds of thousands of women out there in this world who are poorer, hundreds of thousands whose life is a true living hell and all that. You can't really justify prostitution by insinuating that these girls come from poor backgrounds. Millions do. Does poverty make them any special? I don't care what sort of background they come from. If there are being forced to work in this joint against their will, then I would definitely agree that they are totally innocent. If, on the other hand, one is born in poverty, then that by itself is no excuse for turning tricks. It seems to me that for many of these women, prostitution is just a cop-out, an easy way to make easy bucks. They just want to make money by taking the easier route. Can't really condone that. As I said, if you're being forced, as is the case for hundreds of thousands of Nepali women in India, then I agree that they are innocent. But many of these girls are not innocent. They're just looking for a copout.
BOTTOMLINE: THIS IS PROSTITUTION. He had sex with a hooker. I don't know what sort of moral compass you all have, but all I know is this thread should be locked. Come on man.

Prostitution is definitely a choice for many people. In Germany, for example, prostitution is legal according to law. Nobody's forcing these gals to have sex with strangers. They just want an easy way out. Bill Clinton was born in poverty. Look where he's at right now. Arnold Schwarzenegger came to America as an immigrant with only a few bucks in his pocket. It all depends on what sort of moral compass you have. It is a choice for many people. What is the bigger problem is kidnapping women, taking them to a brothel, and forcing them to have sex. This is the case for many women being shipped out to India from Nepal.
How old are these women? If they're under 18, they're minors and if you're an American citizen, you can be sent to the hokey-pokey for it. A few years ago, a law was passed that stated that having sex with minors abroad is a crime. So let it be heard loud and clear that if I find out you're an American citizen and having sex with a minor, I sure as hell will do my duty and definitely report you. If you're not an American citizen, expect your ass to be deported.

IMI have you heard the story where numbers of girls after rescuing from the brothels again start life as prostitute???? you can see higher number of girls engaging in prostitute who are rescued from brothels because the society don't accept them..because these girls are illeterate and don't have enough skills......i don't think any girls wants to involve in these kind of things unless there is circumstantial condition..

"......i don't think any girls wants to involve in these kind of things "

You are wrong. In America, for example, there are many girls who have stripped in order to pay their tuition. Which begs the question, why can't you borrow some money like many of us did? Secondly, has anybody here watched a show called "hookers at the point" on HBO? There was this black girls, who was a stripper before she became a hooker. I mean America is a free country, yet women are seen turning tricks even though it's against the law. Anybody can toil and foil and go through that tough stage of college before finally earning $$$. It's all about how you want to lead your life. Sorry, but justifying prostitution by suggesting that these women come from poor backgrounds just doesn't cut it. MANY WOMEN DO! Forced prostitution for example is completely and utterly abhorrent. In this case, women are totally innocent. But don't tell me that all hookers are innocent and wouldn't have done it if they were rich. It all depends on how you want to lead your life. I mean it's your life. I shouldn't be complaining. But still.

I don't want to compare prostetuion in america and nepal...america being one of the most developed country where you can even earn living by working even in Mc donald, i don't have to say anything if a girl wants living like a prostetution..where as nepal and many other poor country where even working in resturants are dishwashing or working as helper won't earn their living.....so you can see the difference over here...
For a poor country like us where small girls are sold in brothels and afer rescuing again leading their life as prostetute you can imagine how our society is..there is no place for a prostitute in our society considering if they are forced or not...these girls are totally illterate and have no working skills...the place where their own family sell them...you can see our country where it is even hard for middle class family for the good income..you can see where these poor people lies..even if they want to work with their own hard money they can't even eat for 12 days....... so i don't want to blame for these girls...if a rich rich gilrs and litterate gilrs who have skills wants to involve in prostitution then i don't have to say anything..

word mistake: lies: stands...hmmmmmmm

rudra upadhya
lets stick to the point here. i dont' know about sex work in first world countries like netherlands, france, germany or US. so i cannot make any comments about girls who are invovled in this trade. if you have support to back up your theories, i.e. then please provide them here: did you read a study/report/findings? did you personally talk wiht any of thse women? heard their story?
i am talking about sex workers in nepal. i dont understand how you or imi and many ohters, whom i persume are all educated, come to believe that these women are morally corrupted or are sexaholics or are doing it for the sake of pure fun and some free cash. may be a handful, (again, i am talking about nepal here), did join this profession because it was easy cash, but not so for the rest. yes they are using their consicous minds to negotiate with their clients and yes, they are agreeing to meet in a certain place, and yes, they are opening their clohtes by themsleves, but there is a story behind allllll that. t and no, nobody sold these women in whorehouses, but think for a moment here: a lot of these women actually have children at home, have siblings, even the younger ones , are about 15-24. what wlll they do in the city? some lucky ones do find jobs with decent money, but what about the rest who have nither the education, nor the qualifications to find a job? waht about women who are trying to escape the maoist insurgency and came to kathmandu? teh owmen who failed or had to stop tehir education? what kind of "route" do they have to follow to remain "moral" ? in a city like ktm, where these girls know aboslutely no one, where are they to beg for jobs.to find anything at all, you need sources or you need contacts. who are these women supposed to contact? neither do they hold a degree or have any work expereince.
they end up in sex work, usually thorough contacts like freinds, and pimps and because it is the only work that is available to them, because and only because they are women, who are in demand for their bodies.

if you think prostituion is the "easy route", then tell me what the more difficult route is? what else can they do? the only more difficult route i can think of is starving yourself and yoru children and your fmailygetting kicked out of your "dera", sleeping in the streets, taking your kids out of school, etc etc. sure is a difficult route; these choices would definetely be more moral than prostitution, wouldn't u agree?

and you are right, these women have the "choice" to do something else: say, sewing clothes, or some kind of o ther vocational traning. how much would they make? 1500 ruppes a month? it is easy for people like us to view them in a deragatory manner and feel that becasue tehy are poor or are unqualified, they should settle for jobs for very very very little money and make thier livings through that rather than becoming a slut, but have you ever tried living in 1800 rupees a month? 1800 to pay the rent, to take care of your family, to buy medicenes, to send your children to school, to buy food and other basic necessities.
if you believe that not wanting to live for 1500-2000 rupees a month, and trying to make a better life for yoruself and your family by succumbing to sex work is a choice, then that is a differnet issue. i am not, i repeat i am not, saing its ok to become involved in sex trade if you are poor or if you are making money because it is not, but i do not blame these women. they have to do what they have to do. i, so far away from their reality, cannot make a judgement on thier moral charecter when i will never be able to understand waht are the kind of circumstances they must be going through just to make their ends meet.
call girls in nepal are however a different story. they work in big five star hotels and serve to rich businessmen and foreigners. they are usually from higher socio econimic strata, are more educated than women who work in teh streets or restaurants, demand a lotttt of moeny and never come out in public or are willing to be interviewed. so i cannot speak for them.
i am not justifying prostitution and neither am i encouraging it. but to effectively adress the needs of these women, and to eradicate or at least limit prostitution in our soceity, we have to understand the basic cause: no woman does this by choice.
and i have studies done in nepal by groups/NGO teams and researchers to back up what i said. would u like the links?

p.s: please excuse my typos.

RPU is correct!
SS47k,
I have heard lot about that and have you heard the cases when these prevous prostitutes come out they get skills to work and can live their life digified.Please don't give me society crap.I am completely against it.I have always been stressing Its you who makes the difference .Who is accepted by society ?what is society?what is system?.You have a choice.Does society follows from bombay to kathmandu or all prevous hookers have tag in their forehead saying "i was hooker".It is upto her to change.If she finds easier way out then that is lack of determination and self respect.

I have full symapathy for girls who were forcfully sold.but no sympathy for girls who are out and still continue this.we are poor country.There are lots of woman who are illiterate and poor.So , easy solution , Should everyone of them become prostitutes?????????

Ifc123;
If you believe in "they have to do what they have to do" in this kind of trade.Then why expect sympathy for these hookers????They know they are not doing right.And we know they are not doing right.So , do you sympathaze a felon?

Similarly, there many be 1000s of reasons behind it.and i can understand also but that do not justify to get sympathazied as they are breaking law(some countries).

keeping reseach aside.i don't doubt you.

You guys are trying to potray as I sound cruel, saying i don't sympathize poor girl who is prostitute or person who doesn't symapthazie someone who breaks the law???

IMI did you read my last comment..
Does society follows from bombay to kathmandu or all prevous hookers have tag in their forehead saying "i was hooker".
Hey you don't need to say i was hooker..if these girls who came form bombay return to their village, they know where they came from..do you know in our country if any small thing happens to girls how things spread like a wildfire...so you can imagine to these girls. they don't have proper counselling.they are illiterate and don't have enough skills....what the hell you are talking about dignified job.. if they work their ass off also do you think they can live for 12 days also...don't give bashing about dignified..you can see a poorr counrty like nepal where it is even hard for middle class family to live good life ..you can know how the poor people stands...i arealdy stated most of the people who are involved in prostitution are either who came from brothels of india or either form very poor and hard living background...there should be minimum wage set up so poor people won't be discriminated while paying...
you have full sympathy for forced one...i have symapthy for all those prostitute in nepal because most of them come from very poor background..again you may say excuse but don't even compare with the hooker of USA ...you know in USA you can live your life by working in anyplace...resturant,dishwasher..or even by toilet cleaning..

So tell me .All poor woman should be prostitues then .According to you .If you are poor it is justified to be hooker? So , do lot of them resort to that option.NO THEY DON'T.So why?
am i giving nonsense about digified life here???or all the poor woman who have nothing to eat , stupid and not smart enough???

SO HOW COME THIS IS NOT PERSONAL CHOICE LEAVING BEHIND REASONS.

Out of two woman , one is poor and works as jyami but doesn't want to be prostitute and another who thinks is not enough and becomes prostitute.So how is my stress on dignified crap.Can't the first woman choose the same???would it be correct?

We need to sympathize whole poor Nepal.but not just poor hookers.

First of all, the very thought that I'm posting in a thread started by someone who had sex with a prostitute makes me cringe. But I have no choice. So here goes.

" if you have support to back up your theories, i.e. then please provide them here"

What theories? That in Germany and many European countries prostitution is completely legal? Look it up yourself. It is a CHOICE for everyone unless you're a sex slave. Free will, remember? Nobody controls what you do with your life. You make the decisions. That's the bottomline.

"a lot of these women actually have children at home, have siblings, even the younger ones , are about 15-24"

So you're saying that the root of the issue is poverty. Guess what, my grandparents were poor. But through hard work, they managed to make something out of themselves. Poverty is NOT AN excuse for having sex with strangers. The point is that if you're motivated enough, you can definitely pull yourself up your bootstraps no matter what situation you're in. I believe that hard work can take you to places. Sorry, but saying that poverty is the number one issue doesn't cut it given that many of our parents/ancestors, etc were poor as well. I sure as hell didn't have rich ancestors. Not all of us were born with silver spoons in our mouths. My grandparents had siblings too. They didn't open up a whorehouse to make some quick cash. They did it the hard way, the slow way. The point is that poverty is not an excuse for prostitution. You're justifying prostittution by implying that poverty is the problem. Of course, we cannot deny the fact that virtually all of these women are poor. HOWEVER, I think it's about having a MORAL COMPASS.

"but what about the rest who have nither the education, nor the qualifications to find a job"

Oh, I see. If you're uneducated, poor, with no qualifications, just go and have sex with a stranger. Nice justification.

"waht about women who are trying to escape the maoist insurgency and came to kathmandu"

So I see, these women should just go to a whorehouse and sell their bodies. There is no other way out but sex with a complete stranger. I really like your logic. You deserve a cookie.


" the only more difficult route i can think of is starving yourself and yoru children and your fmailygetting kicked out of your "dera", sleeping in the streets, taking your kids out of school, etc etc"

I get it, all poor women should sell their bodies to complete strangers. The biggest fallacy in your statement is that NOT ALL poor people sell their bodies. Secondly, work on a farm or something. If not, go to India. There are so many choices out there. You're telling me that only prostitution is the way out? There is no other way out, but prostitution? NONE WHATSOEVER? Wow, your stance is quite astounding I must say, and wow, you're really more educated than I am.

"say, sewing clothes, or some kind of o ther vocational traning. how much would they make? 1500 ruppes a month"

Isn't that what I said? Prostitution is the easy way out because you make good $$$, and it's not much of a challenging job either, save for a few rambunctious individuals who are a bit too rough. You're just repeating what I said. Prostitution is good $$$$. There are many others out there who are in the same situation, and don't go around having sex with strangers.

"believe that not wanting to live for 1500-2000 rupees a month, and trying to make a better life for yoruself and your family by succumbing to sex work is a choice, then that is a differnet issue"

It's not a different issue. Having sex with a stranger is a CHOICE unless you were forced to do it against your will, which is the case for many Nepalis who've been taken to India. These women are innocent. As far as the ones that are having sex with strangers, even though they could have done something else with their lives, are concerned, it's definitely choice. You're being lured by easy money. What's so forced about it.

"no woman does this by choice. "

Give me a source that says that no woman does it by choice.

what if the condition if she is single and even not able to find a minimial job..what if the condition
"a single woman who lives in kathmandu with two three kids and the condtion where husband don't support and works as jyami and cann't even feed their kids and herself for 12 days??????"
what if the condition " the gilr rescued from brothels again start living as prostitute as she doesn't have any good cousellinng and proper skillls???
In poverty also there are various condition and situation for these women otherwise all poor people would have been selling their body.....
talking about these crap is easy but in reality it is very hard....

dude, is that justification?So , a two woman in similar situation can opt for two different solution.Which one is justifiable.i can understand the nepalese scene but look at those girls in the dancing bar .How much justification can you give for her.yes, i don't know her everything but can u and i guess?
No one is denying the problem exists but which option do you choose is your choice.
i am not saying die out of hunger or don't feed but when one woman in similar situation can choose one way and another one another way . i don't know what to say!