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Bhunte
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What are the pros and cons of the news? ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------. ADB warns of withdrawal from Melamchi The Asian Development Bank (ADB) has warned of pulling out of multi-million-dollar Melamchi drinking water project after Minister for Works and Physical Planning Hishila Yami wrote a letter to the Kathmandu Valley Drinking Water Limited expressing the government's inability to sign management contract for valley water distribution. According to Kantipur daily, Yami, who is a senior Maoist leader, wrote a letter stating that the government does not wish to go for management contract for the time being. The ADB, when it agreed to provide loan assistance of $140 million to the project, had laid down the precondition that valley's water distribution management should be handed over to foreign private sector company. The letter signed by acting Secretary at the Ministry Purna Prasad Kadariya states that the government will not provide 'letter of award' since the minister wants to take the proposal to the cabinet for reviewing the management contract. Earlier, the cabinet had approved awarding the contract to a British company Severn Trent. As per the approval, the Severn Trent should have been handed over the management job by May 15. On the other hand, the daily quotes sources as saying that Keichi Tamaki, an ADB official who looks after the project, has warned that failure to sign management contract would lead to revocation of the bank's assistance to the project. nepalnews.com sd May 09 07
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Posted on 05-17-07 10:48
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CT wrote: "At the same time, I also think we should watch out how ADB is acting on this issue." Sure. But here's a different logic to think this through. Assumption: Money has to be found in and by Nepal to pay for projects. The government simply does NOT have the cash to carry out such work. There are, broadly speaking, three sources of funds: Domestic money, international private money and development banks. Let's look at these: 1) There is not enough domestic money available for this project. If there were, locals banks would have financed it, and we would not need other parties with their money. 2) Nepal is NOT -- to put it bluntly -- trusted much by international private investors. In any case, those guys can find other locations around the world (i.e. Vietnam, India, etc) where they can earn more returns. So, the chances of getting international private money for big projects in Nepal are low to nil. 3) This leaves only one option: bilateral or multilateral funding from development banks. Our saying, "we do NOT need foreign money to build anything in Nepal = we will NOT build anything." And that's not going to be in the interest of most poor people. Sure, I am all for monitoring the ADBs of the world: but you cannot monitor them if you throw them out in the first place! oohi ashu
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Posted on 05-17-07 10:59
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Chana Tarkari, Good analysis of mental problems of people coming from jungle to civilization, but in this case Hisila does not seem to fit to be in such a position to make decisions that affects millions of Nepalis negatively.
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Posted on 05-17-07 11:28
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Posted on 05-17-07 11:43
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Rahul Sir ali confine hunu bhayo jasto lagyo. The valley has the size of 250 sq. miles, and due to precipitation it gets plenty of water all round the year. So trapping the surface water makes sense. Also, we should not forget the fact that Bagmati is not a snow-fed river and reservoir at Sundarijal collects more rainwater from the northern catchments. In other word, we had relied on rainwater and it had worked wonderfully in the past. The other significance of surface water is the recharging of groundwater, and we all know groundwater is depleting day by day in the valley. A ‘safe’ groundwater level is essential in the valley in the sense it helps in to maintain the moisture level of surface and subsurface soils to the required amount, which is vital for plants and the crops. The other significance of groundwater is that all the Dhungedharas rely on groundwater flow, and dhungedharas ta cultural heritage pani ho...sanskritic dharohor....much needed... Ani Rahul Sir, Sthapit ko malai purai background tyati ramro sanga thaha bhayena...tara politicians at times do state bizarrely. However, unlike of Sanskrit trained Narahari Acharya who used to address on constitution most often, having been trained as Overseer, Sthapit is still qualified to understand and speak on some of engineering technicalities. ani maile kehi kura boleku chu bhane afno academic ra experience le support garne bhara boleku chu....
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Kishnekale, agreed you know some technicalities, but I sensed you have not got enought opportunity to work on the field, particularly in the drinking water sector of KTM. Let me correct your few misconception. 1. valley does not get rainwater throughout the year. it has 9 dry months and 3 wet months. The rain cycle is not reliable except in june july throught the year. Interannual and decadal variabilities are high. Convective rains and sporadic cloud bursts are not easy to harvest. More than that the rainwater is not available during the driest period. So, rainwater harvesting as a supplement of drinking water supply has less chance of success despite some study projects and NGOs would show up their grand success in pilot studies. Notice that those projects are often funded to bring desired results rather than uncovering the truth. 2. High concentration of dust, aerosols and other air-pollutant coming from vehicular exhust is another problem which pollutes the harvested water as soon as it drops on a surface. Test-studies have indicated that at least 3 consecutive rain-days are required to clean up accumulated dust on a rain-harvesting surface despite proper maintenance during the dry-period. There are alternates but that need high alert level, proper awareness and more investment. 3. Permeability of soil of KTM valley is too low as it has 100 to 3000 m thick clay layer at its top. This has both pros and cons in many aspects but for drinking water, this clay deposit can't be seen as an advantage. Due to this high impermeable top layer, the rainewater does not infiltrate into subsurface deposit as people assume to happen so easily, but they get flown out from there because the landscape does not allow enough retention despite having comparatively flat land. On top of that massive concreting of the surface has reduced that possibility by almost 40%. Therefore the runoff coefficient of Kathmandu valley and bagmati catchment is very high compared to other river basins of similar hydrology. 4. Water yield of Dhungedhara and Wells are too low because they collect water seeped through clayee soil. Therefore they provide slow but consistent water supply. Also people often tend to forget that how our ancestors had prevented upstream infiltration catchment for those installation. For example, you might know the story behind how and why Sundhara stopped supplying its precious water after the construction of Karmachari Sanchay Kosh building. Adding a well or Dhungedhara is not that difficult but to assure this well or dhungedhara performing well requires a lot of knowhow, on which people tend to overlook. 5. Those traditional infrastructure was providing sufficient drinking water for conservative use of very small population in the past. Just see how the population sky-rocketed to 40 lakh from 5 lakh in last 30 years, and how their water consumption habit also increased too high. People these days want to have daily shower, flush toilets, hot-cold water running 24/7 in their tap (they are not getting, that is different but they want that to have in their home). Traditionally, Kathmanduits used minimal water for sanitation purpose and on top of that they had practiced traditional recycling techniques which made them self-sustained to meet their water demand. 6. Sundarijal reservoir, and upstream bagmati catchment could be effectively managed to reduce the level of scarcity, but not to eliminate. Also that needs high level of conservation programs and continued expensive effort in entire upstream bagmati watershed, which has been a huge project in Nepal for several years. It might not be good idea to blame them, but it is clear they are not yet successful to bring any significant outcome despite pouring so much money over the year. Let me assume, that program would be a 100% success and still that would not guarantee reliable water supply. 7. I agree with you, a 'safe' groundwater level is very very necessary, but it is degrading to a highly risky level due to haphazard domestic well construction, pumping here n there and failure to recharge the source. 8. I don't want to talk about Sthapit syndrome, we need such a person sometime, but we should be cautious enough to run behind blindly.
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Posted on 05-17-07 3:09
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यहाँ अलि उग्र भएर बिरोध भयो, माओबादिको, तर तिनको कमजोरी केलाउने काम गतिलो सँग भएन। मुख्य कुरो के भने एउटा नेपाली मन्त्रिले कुनै पनि कुरो पुनराबलोकन गर्छु भन्न नपाउने त कुरै छैन। त्यत्ति गर्न खोज्दामै हिसिला यमी लाई गाली गर्नु हुदैन। तर समस्या के भने पार्टीहरुले के कुरो बुझ्दैनन भने यस्ता गहन बिषयमा मन्त्रिहुनु अघि नै होमवोर्क गर्न पर्ने हो। एमालेले पनि (in Arun hydro)त्यहि गल्ति गर्यो, दिपक ज्ञवाली लगायतका काँग्रेसका ज्यानि बिरोधिले उचालेको भरमा उचालियो, अनि बिश्वब्यान्कले पैसा दिन्न, प्रोजेक्ट क्यान्सेल भनेपछि बल्ल चेत भयो। एमाले ले अजकल बिकास बिरोधि हल्ला गर्दै हिड्दैन। त्यस्तै शायद मेलम्चि गएपछि मन्त्रि यमीले थाहा पाउनु हुनेछ, बैकल्पिक पैसा जुटाउन त्यति सजिलो छैन। हाम्रा मन्त्रिहरु बित्तिय अभाबमा काम गर्न त्यति स्वतन्त्र छैनन, ब्यांकहरुले जे भने त्यहि खुरुखुरु मान्नु पर्ने हुन्छ। प्रतिपक्षी पार्टीहरुपनि सत्ता बाहिर हुदा गैरजिम्मेवार भएर कर्मचारी उचाल्दिने, सरकारको जसले जे कुरोमा बिरोध गरे पनि सहि थाप्ने आदि गर्छन। काँग्रेसले पनि उचाल्थ्यो खानेपानीका कर्मचारीलाई यदि एमाले सत्तामा भएको भए। अनि मन्त्रि भएपछि बल्ल फाइल खोलेर पढ्ने र कुरो बुझ्न प्रयास गर्ने गर्छन।प्रतिनिधि सभामा हाम्रा सांसदले माग्ने बित्तिकै सबै फाइल पाउछन, सबै हाकिम गएर प्रष्टिकरण दिन पर्छ। यिनलाई महिनाको चौतिस हजार तलब दिएको काम गर्न हो, भुरा बराल्दै हिड्न हैन, सांसद हरुले आफुलाई एक हद सम्म सरकारी कर्मचारी ठानेर ध्यान दिएर काम गर्नु पर्छ।बुझ्न खोजे सरकारले सबैलाई बुझाउन पर्छ, बुझ्नै नखोज्ने अनि मन्त्रि भएपछि बल्ल जब पर्यो राति अनि बुढि ताति गरेर भएन। मेरो बिचारमा मन्त्रि यमीले गर्न राम्रै खोज्नुभा'हो। तर तिनले कुरो बुझिनन, गाउँमा स्वास्थ्यचौकि भत्काउनु र शहरमा मेलम्चि भत्काउनु कुरो फरक छ। दुरगामी असर छ यसको। अर्को कुरो, आफु गरिब निमुखा भैन्जेल अरुले जे भन्यो मान्नुपर्ने बाध्यता छ हाम्रो। मलाई यतिखेर इजरायलको याद आउँछ। १९७० सम्म तिनको पानी आदिको ब्यबस्थापन सबै डच, अमेरिकि आदिले गर्थे। अहिले तिनले तिनै डच हरु संग कुरो सिकेर संसारको सबभन्दा राम्रो पानी ब्यबस्थापन बिशेषज्ञ हुन सक्याछन। कामरेड माओ पनि भर्खर शासनमा आउदा चिनमा जे काम गर्न पनि बिदेशी इन्जिनियर नभै नहुने देखेर आजित भएर 'आजको पचास बर्षमा चिनले बर्षको पाचलाख इन्जिनियर उत्पादन गर्नेछ' भनेर गोल बनाउन बाध्य भएका थिए (चिनले त्यो गोल नब्बेको दशकमा नै हासिल गरेको थियो)। हामीले पनि त्यहि गर्न पर्छ। अनफर्चुनेटली हिजै माओबादिले स्कुल बन्द गरे रे भन्ने सुनियो। आफ्नो देशमा पढ्न नदिने हो भने नेपालीले यो बिदेशीको हातको बेइज्जति शतकौं भोग्न पर्छ। गोर्खेलाई हतियार हैन किताप बोक्न सिकाऔ तब मात्र चालिस पचास बर्ष पछि हाम्रा मन्त्रिले चाहेको कम्पनि लाई प्रोजेक्ट दिन सक्ने छन, र बिदेशी ब्यांकलाई 'नाइ' भन्न सक्नेछन।
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Posted on 05-17-07 3:16
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Chana-Tarkari Sir, Three to four months are dominated by monsoon. So they might fall in the categories of wet month. But this does not imply that the rest of the season is dry. Rainfall frequency is low but runoff is still significant. I could not be sure on 100-3000 mt, but first 300 mt is dominated by clay that has low conductivity. Slow infiltration is much more reliable for filtration. My point on dheungedhara was directed more towards preserving whatever we are left with at this moment. Reviving Sundhara looks next impossible but we still can protect Patan’s. Ya surely I did not have much chance to work...couple of projects...hydrological analysis of Bagmati river basin and Rainwater harvesting in the valley...chana tarkari khadai jagire bhara gareko kaam...catch you next week...
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Posted on 05-17-07 3:27
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It is not YAMI's fault .It is Nepalese Fault!!!Stop blaming Minister Yami! Everyone knew clearly what Maoist intention was and yet you guys put her there.You guys including Civil society leaders couldn't wait to put them in Govt. So, it is not her fault.She did what she and her comrades are best at less work more talk!!! Go Maoist..we need equality ..No water for kathmandu cause there is no water for other parts of Nepal. All nepalese should be poor cause 80 % of nepalese are poor.Equality!!!Equality for equality thristy nepalese in Our RED NEPAL!! Did anybody thought of pulling water from those rivers to top of the mountains in village houses in Jumla??NO!!so why should She care about Kathmandu?? Did Kathmanduites join the Maoist Army ? Did Kathmanduites went for Janadolan 2 ?So,Stop Bitchin ..My bitch ,yami , is doing good job :P
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Posted on 05-17-07 3:46
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imu then lick yami's pussssy clean, and make it ready for Dr. baburam bhattarai. guys i don't know what yami's intention was on not getting the job done asked by ADB. i hope she is doing whats good for kathmanduties.
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one pic tells more than a thousand words
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Posted on 05-18-07 2:17
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Quenching thirst in Ktm
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Ha ha Thopa ji Tapainko jindagi ni sadhai tyo hope mai ramai rakhos. Mero subhakamana tapailai.
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I have seen big big analysis here about Melmchi... but friends.. the reality is, this Melamchi episode will finally boils down to the point where dhotis will be laying their hands... that's what Maoists want to happen.. it's time for Maoists to pay back to India since India gave them money, shelter and instruction to become india's slaves in the past years when Maoists where underground.. ha ha.. time to pay to India.. hoina ta Masoits? Prachanda bahun.. why are you silent..? Looks like you have nothing to say about it, to comment on what your gay partner's wife Yami is doing funny funny things? Hoina ta?
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. बल्ल बल्ल यो चर्पी सफा गर्न लाइ पानी आउने खालको कुरा भाथ्यो।। खोइ वासीएलले पानी पुर्याउन आउने हो कि? .
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YCL is currently actively involved in रक्त चन्दन business. तिनीहरू जंगलमा बस्दा र त्यहाँबाट चन्दन तस्करीमा लागेकाहरूको राम्रो जानकारी भएकाले नै अहिले उसले जहाँ पुगे पनि रक्त चन्दन नबिराई फेला पर्ने गरेको छ । त्यसैले यो चन्दन बिजिनेसबाट वा सि एललाई छुटाएर, घरघरमा पानी पुर्याउने काम काम गराउन खोज्ने कुरमा मलाई त दरवारको षडयन्त्र छ जस्तो लाग्यो हौ , सायमीजि ।
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मेलम्ची तुहीयो। क्या बीजोग्! =============== FM terms ADB's decision as 'unfortunate' Finance Minister Dr. Ram Sharan Mahat has termed as 'unfortunate' the decision of the Asian Development Bank (ADB) stating its intention not to renew the funding commitment for Melamchi project. "Today, the ADB issued a statement. It is very unfortunate. We had suspicions that such decision could be made and now our worst fears have come true," Dr. Mahat said. Dr. Mahat said that although the government will still try hard to persuade ADB to reconsider its decision, 'chances are now very dim (for project's revival).' After Minister for Works and Physical Planning Hisila Yami refused to honour the agreement (approved by previous cabinet led by incumbent Prime Minister GP Koirala) to award management contract of valley's water distribution system to Severn Trent Water International – claiming that it has bad track record elsewhere – the ADB, on Tuesday, issued the statement stating that "the inability of the Government to authorise the signing of the duly negotiated management contract at this very late stage creates considerable uncertainty on the way forward." On this issue, Dr. Mahat had publicly differed with Minister Yami – who is a senior Maoist leader. Dr. Mahat had advised Yami to honour the previous agreement with the ADB. Yami, on the other hand, said that valley's water distribution system should be managed in public-private partnership model. nepalnews.com sd May 22 07
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I remember one of my world renowned professors from Western Europe used to say, "I am not a socialist but I think state should not privatize vital institutions like water supply, electricity, education and health care. State should have control and contribution to certain degree in those types of institutions." Living and working in a capitalistic economy country now, when reflects his opinions I think probably he was not that wrong.
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ल पढ्नुस् बिकास सङ्रौला जि को मेलम्ची बारे चाखलाग्दो लेख्: ================= Melamchi: Yet another Arun III
BY BIKASH SANGRAULA KATHMANDU, May 24 - Twelve years after the World Bank (WB) withdrew from Arun III following protests from various NGOs in the country, another mega project, Melamchi, collapsed on Tuesday with the announcement by its principal donor, the Asian Development Bank (ADB), of inability to extend its funding commitment beyond June 30. The similarity of circumstances in which the two projects collapsed is striking. In both cases, NGOs set the stage for the demise. The CPN (UML) dealt the death blow to Arun III, while it is the CPN (Maoist) that dealt the same to Melamchi. Tale of two failed projects In 1995, a minority government of the CPN (UML), which had still not lost its revolutionary zeal at that time, sent a delegation to the US to renegotiate Arun III with WB officials, after activists criticized conditions set by the Bank for funding the project. The conditions, activists alleged, were responsible for high cost estimate of the project. The Bank refused to revise its conditions. This created a deadlock, which later culminated in the project's demise, 10 years after WB picked the project and promoted it. The end of Arun III spelt the end to WB's interest in hydropower development, at least in Nepal. So far, the country is yet to see any concrete evidence of revival of interest in the Bank for investment in hydropower. Twelve years later, Minister for Physical Planning and Works Hisila Yami, who represents the avowedly revolutionary CPN (Maoist) party in the government, asked ADB to revise the condition for appointment of a private management contractor for Kathmandu Valley's water supply. This time, the main concern was the background of the proposed contractor, UK firm Severn Trent Water International (STWI), which has faced regulatory action in UK. With ADB sticking to its condition, and Yami unrelenting in her opposition, the Bank announced on Tuesday that it would not extend its loan to the project after June 30, when the loan commitment expires. Whether activists did a service to the country by creating the conditions for Arun III's demise can be debated on and on. Now Melamchi is on its way to becoming another topic of a very similar debate. The real string pullers NGOs ganging up against mega projects in the country has always been a surprising phenomenon. As unanimous as they were in opposing Arun III, all water sector NGOs in the country teamed up to protest STWI's imminent appointment. Interestingly, the mandate of these NGOs range from protesting mega projects, as is evident in the case of Gopal Siwakoti (Chintan)'s Water and Energy Users' Federation (WAFED)-Nepal, to promoting small scale drinking water schemes, like rainwater harvesting, as in the case of most other NGOs. The NGOs protested STWI's proposed appointment terming it as handing over the country's water to a foreign, profit-driven company. What they did not admit is that the Kathmandu Upatyeka Khanepani Ltd (KUKL) constituted by the previous government, which has a seven-member all-Nepali team, has the mandate to monitor STWI; and overseeing KUKL is a policy-making body, the Kathmandu Valley Water Supply Management Board, which has 11 members, all Nepalese. The protest is not limited to STWI, however. WAFED, which was active in protesting Arun III 12 years ago, was also involved in 'sensitizing' people at the Melamchi project site in Sindhupalchowk district regarding their 'rights', years before the management contract award protest was initiated. Thanks to WAFED, residents of project-affected areas demanded as much as Rs 2 million per ropani of land acquired by the project for building access roads, as witnessed by the Post some two-and-half years ago. However, when it comes to opposing STWI, the role of NGO Federation for Urban Water and Sanitation (NGOFUWS), an umbrella body of water sector NGOs in the country, has been instrumental. "We have campaigned against Severn Trent for long. We are not opposed to institutional reforms under the Melamchi project. We are only against Severn Trent," said Lajana Manandhar, chairperson of NGOFUWS, triumphantly. "The only difference is that this time we found a receptive minister." In fact, after Minister Yami joined the interim government on April 1, water sector NGOs have held repeated consultations with her informing her that STWI has a poor background and appointing it would leave a dent in her political career. They also managed to convince Yami that there are alternatives, like public-private partnership for running the project, and in the event ADB withdraws from the project, the Valley's water problems can be taken care of through rainwater harvesting and conservation of traditional stone spouts. "Melamchi project's successful implementation would have meant death to these NGOs, as no one would need a rainwater harvesting plant or a stone spout if there is abundant water flowing into the Valley from the project," said a disgruntled official at Melamchi project. Melamchi the alternative to Melamchi Manandhar, who expresses gratitude toward Minister Yami's "courage", however, said that in the long run, Melamchi is needed. "Rainwater harvesting and stone spout conservation are short term solutions. In the long run, we can't do without Melamchi." And Manandhar is very optimistic, "I am sure the government will get funding from other sources, if ADB pulls out of Melamchi." Prachanda meets ADB resident chief CPN (Maoist) Chairman Prachanda met with ADB Country Director Paul Heytens at the former's residence on Wednesday. In the meeting, Prachanda asked ADB to review its decision of withdrawing from Melamchi. Heytens explained Tuesday's ADB statement to the Maoist chairman and reiterated that the bank would be unable to extend its loan commitment now that a management contractor cannot be appointed for the Valley's water supply.
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